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Jakob Pedersen:Dear Anne and Emmanuelle, welcome to this session – we will be starting in about 1h and 45 min. Do feel free to stay here. In the meantime please introduce yourselves and let us know your interest in the topic
annie laurette:Hi, I am not sure if i will be able to attend until the end. I am a French lecturer at the University of Seychelles. I am also an examiner of the end of primary level
Gabriel Uunona:Hi everyone
Jakob Pedersen:Dear Participants this session starts in an hour. Please feel free to stay around until then – please introduce yourself in the text chat and your thoughts on the topic!
Gabriel Uunona:Hello once more, I am a Senior Education Officer for Research and Development in the Directorate of National Examination and Assessment of the Ministry of Education, Arts and Culture in Namibia
Antonio Chimuzu:Greetings everybody
Arabat Kasangaki:Greetings to you too
Antonio Chimuzu:Great. i can hear perfectly
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome Annie, Antonio, Arabat, Emmanuel, Gabriel, Ste:)
Jakob Pedersen:I am able to hear you Nicola
Nicola Pallitt:And Alan also?
Nicola Pallitt:Greetings Irene:)
Arabat Kasangaki:I can hear you
Alan Cliff:Thank you
Irene Maweu:Good afternoon Nicola. and everyone
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome everyone:) Please introduce yourself by sharing what you do and where you’re from here in the text chat:)
Irene Maweu:~~wave~~ Nicola
Arabat Kasangaki:Good afternoon to you
Antonio Chimuzu:good afternoon Irene
Irene Maweu:Hi Antonio.
Alan Cliff:Good afternoon to all
Irene Maweu:Good afternoon Alan
Nicola Pallitt:Nice to see you here Stephan:)
Antonio Chimuzu:Good afternnon Alan
Stephan van Wyk:Hi Nicola
annie laurette:I am from the Seychelles, working at the University as a French Lecturer,
Alan Cliff:I’ll introduce myself when I start my presentation to everyone
Antonio Chimuzu:HI. I am a lecturer at Africa University in Zimbabwe and a master student in eLearning PEdagogy.
Nicola Pallitt:I’m an ed tech lecturer based at CILT, UCT in Cape Town. It’s a cold and rainy day here today
Stephan van Wyk:Stephan van Wyk. University of South Africa. Lecturer in anthropology. Currently teaching a second year anthropology module online to roughly 1000 students. In the process of revamping the module.
Antonio Chimuzu:E-Assessment was one of the modules in my degree programme
Nicola Pallitt:Wow Annie, bet you are having better weather than us:)
Alan Cliff:Thanks Antonio, will be good to hear some of your experiences with that module
Nicola Pallitt:@Antonio interesting, where did you study that programme through?
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome Kate, and Cath:)
Irene Maweu:I am a human cpacity development consultant based in Nairobi
Cath:Hello everyone ~~wave ~~ 🙂
Antonio Chimuzu:Lisbon Open University, Portugal
Antonio Chimuzu:Hello Cath
Nicola Pallitt:Fascinating Antonio:)
Irene Maweu:~~Wave~~ Cath
Kate Whittaker:Hello All !
emmanuel arthur:hi everyone
Cath:@Antonio – hi there 🙂
Cath:@Irene ~~~wave~~ ~ 😉 😀
Tony Carr:Hi all 🙂
Antonio Chimuzu:Hello Kate and Emmanuel
Nicola Pallitt:And recordings are shared on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOSslrb-EyqxMEJ-wMG49Fg/videos
Nicola Pallitt:Greetings Somaya and Frank:) Please share what you do and where you’re from
Cath:@Tony – HI! 🙂 ~~wave~~
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome Ryan:)
Antonio Chimuzu:Hi Tony
Ryan:Hi! Thanks! Glad to be here =)
emmanuel arthur:I am from Ghana but currently studying in Kenya
Frank Loglo:Thanks Nicola. I am from Ghana
Somaya Abdullah:Hi Everyone. Somaya Abdullah.I’m from UCT teaching in social devlopment
Jakob Pedersen:Recording now in session
Tony Carr:I’m based at University of Cape Town, colleague of Nicola’s and Alan’s in CILT
Arabat Kasangaki:Hi, I am at Makerere University
Kate Whittaker:I’m a freelance e-learning consultant, I’m currently working for a publisher on adapting content on an online platform for South African schools. I have previously worked on online tools which aim to provide detailed skills reviews for maths and science students. I have also collaborated on the development of products of macroeconomics, and microbiology amongst other topics. So evaluation is a key interest and the validity of types of evaluation in different conteexts interstes me
Nicola Pallitt:Alan’s full bio for interest at http://emergeafrica.net/12-19-june-facilitating-student-learning-through-e-assessment-processes-and-practices/
Tony Carr:lovely sound
Ryan:Hear you loud and clear!
Cath:Yes – sound is great thx 🙂
Jakob Pedersen:All fine Alan!
Nicola Pallitt:perfect sound my side:)
Irene Maweu:Loud and clear
emmanuel arthur:Yeah it’s good
Nicola Pallitt:I’ll keep record or questions and feedback to Alan at intervals, so feel to type throughout
Jerome Dooga:My name is Jerome Dooga from the University of Jos in Nigeria
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome Jerome, and Jason
Antonio Chimuzu:Hi Jerome
Jerome Dooga:Question: what kinds of assessments are possible for Online Discussion Forums?
Gabriel:Gud question Jerome
Antonio Chimuzu:Later I would like to hear your experience with e-assessment for large classes
Jerome Dooga:Hi Antonio. Nice to meet you here.
Nicola Pallitt:So we’ve got folks joining from SA, Kenya, Ghana, Seychelles, Nigeria, Zimbabw, Uganda- for folks joining a bit later please share what you do and where you’re from
Jerome Dooga:@Antonio, that would be my pleasure.
Kate Whittaker:I’m based in South Africa
Nicola Pallitt:Welcome Jenny and Gabriel U:)
Jenny Birkett:Thanks you sorry a bit late
Gabriel Uunona:e-Assessment may sound almost obvious for multiple choice types of questions, one whould be interested to explore how e-assessment would work in structured questions or when e”ssay type” answers are expected or in case of questions with many possiblw asnweres
Gabriel:Hi my namesake (Gabriel)
Gabriel:Thanks Nicola. How are u
Nicola Pallitt:So we have a Gabriel from Zambia and Gabriel U where are you joining us from?
Gabriel Uunona:Hi @Gabriel
Nicola Pallitt:Good thanks Gabriel:)
Gabriel Uunona:Im from Namibia
Nicola Pallitt:aaah Great:)
Gabriel:Gud to meet u Gabriel
Gabriel:Which institution are you from?
Nicola Pallitt:Does your university have a strategy supporting online assessment? Or a general assessment policy? Please type Y for yes and N for no
Gabriel Uunona:I am a Research & Development Officer in the Directorate of Examinations and Assessment for the Ministry of Education
Jerome Dooga:Assessment is key, not just to gauge the extent that learning has taken place, not just to record scores as may be the case in some, but more important as part of an opportunity for learners to participate actively. Some argue that what is not rewarded does not get done
Nicola Pallitt:@Jerome good point, how we understand the definitions and purposes of assessment are important
Gabriel:Good to know Gabriel
Gabriel:I am a Senior TEVET Officer in the Ministry of Highe =r Education
Gabriel:My job involves entrepreneurship development promotion & promotion of ODL
Nicola Pallitt:online learning as ‘delivery’ – assumptions around transfer we often make
Kate Whittaker:very interesting point about the boundaries and responsibilities involved in those type of collaborative engagements
Nicola Pallitt:For interest, Alan is also part of this project on the unbundled university http://unbundleduni.com/ for folks interested in marketisation of higher ed as part of the macro environment
Gabriel Uunona:It would be interesting to know ho e-assessment would help students with disabilities (sight, physical, hearing etc)
Jerome Dooga:”Things theatre are rewarded get done.”– Jeanette Nagy.
Nicola Pallitt:RE learning analytics we had a fascinating webinar a while back by Paul Prinsloo – recording on our YouTube channel linked earlier in the text chat
Gabriel Uunona:It would also be interesting to know whether e-assessment would work in case of practical assessments (use of simulation software maybe…?
Jerome Dooga:”Things that are rewarded get done”– Jenette Nagy.
Stephan van Wyk:(i) Interested in how you (Alan) differentiates between online education in terms of teach and learning (there was a specific reference with the word ‘both’). Taking this further, what does this difference mean in terms of e-assessment?
Stephan van Wyk:(ii) Can you (Alan) elaborate more on the inequalities you highlighted as challenges and how this complicates the idea of teaching in online spaces? My university draws a different kind of demographic compared to your university, but I’m sure you’ve also experienced differing levels of familiarity ‘moving’ in the online world – this affects reasonable ability to learn and is something that must be catered for in some way when designing online teaching.
Stephan van Wyk:*differentiate
Nicola Pallitt:@Stephan some universities have elearning readiness tests that students do – sign of inequalities in readiness
Ryan:What is the meso environment?
Tony Carr:In the middle between macro and micro …
Nicola Pallitt:macro = universals, broad, meso = institutional, micro = classroom level
Ryan:Copy that! =)
Jerome Dooga:One way we handle the challenge of infrastructure is to collect learners together to access institutional facilities. this is not the best approach and is quite limiting. But in the short term, it helps to keep things moving while time and change will handle some of the issues.
Gabriel Uunona:Indeed, there is assessment for learning and for evaluation
Nicola Pallitt:Sometimes classes too big to do both formative and summative assessment, assessment for learning VS of learning…
Gabriel Uunona:or rather “assessment for learning” and “assessment of learning”
Jerome Dooga:Assessments without feedback breeds learner frustration
Nicola Pallitt:Agree, dynamic assessment in e-assessment can help with such frustration
Jerome Dooga:I would like to get suggestions on how to provide meaningful feedback in large classes without giving learners the obvious impression that the feedback is impersonal, automated.
Tony Carr:so automated feedback that feels personalised ?
Jerome Dooga:@Tony, it’s often difficult to provide automated feedback that feels personalized.
Stephan van Wyk:What is the place of summative assessment in online learning? Is there a place for it?
Nicola Pallitt:Depends on knowledge and learning outcomes in particular disciplines – MCQs don’t suit all types of subjects
Gabriel Uunona:One would also like to know how “standartised assessment”, which can either be for ‘certification’ or for diagonostic can be taken care of in the e-assessment concepts
Nicola Pallitt:How might one best assess student learning of x in y discipline is something lecturers need to engage with
Nicola Pallitt:@Gabriel what do you mean by standardised?
Jerome Dooga:Especially in very large classes!
Nicola Pallitt:Some strategies are used for large classes because it’s easier for the teacher, not necessarily best for student learning…
Gabriel Uunona:For example, we give standardised tests for research purpose, to establish learners attainment of particular competencies, this is done at a macro level (all grade 7 in the country for instance)
Jerome Dooga:The response sounds more like FAQs. But those are difficult for one off tasks.
Gabriel Uunona:This is done so that interventions for teacher training, teacher CPDs curriculum development/adjustments etc…
Nicola Pallitt:Computer adaptive teaching vs computerised assessment (?)
Nicola Pallitt:adaptive learning
Nicola Pallitt:computer adaptive testing
Nicola Pallitt:We can also continue the discussion via our Facebook event group:)
Nicola Pallitt:This is the level of classroom practice…
Cheryl Belford:Hello everyone. Cheryl from CPUT (Civil Eng)
Tony Carr:welcome Cheryl!
Nicola Pallitt:Yay! Great to have one of our past presenters – Cheryl presented last week
Tony Carr:Should we hold of on developing e-assessment practices until we are absolutely certain that all students will have good access to these practices?
Nicola Pallitt:and sometimes these literacies combine and amplified by e-assessment
Tony Carr:hold off
Nicola Pallitt:hmmm good question Tony – what do our colleagues think? Do we hold off and do nothing?
Cheryl Belford:Hi. I use Black Board extensively. Both multiple choice, long design calculations and essay style questions.
Stephan van Wyk:Agree. If we do nothing, then nothing will be developed. There will never be a perfect situation where everyone has equal access.
Tony Carr:(that is one of the arguments some UCT lecturers used about online activities in courses for a long time
Jerome Dooga:Good question Tony. In my context, inequalities will not go away any time soon. Also, it’s not clear to me how the inequalities are determined
Gabriel Uunona:I think piloting e-assessment to establish what percentage of students could struggle mught help the future developments
Cheryl Belford:competency in essay questions in directionally proportional to the students access to the rubric and conversations around that.
Stephan van Wyk:(common here too Tony)
Jerome Dooga:Normally, students make the effort to access books in a library. in
Cheryl Belford:similarly with long calculations there must be some interactive engagement where they become familiar with the expectation
Nicola Pallitt:And even reading rubrics – we’ve found not all students understands these, so we have to work on making them more accessible
Jerome Dooga:In the same way, learners may have to make the efforts required to have online access. Right?
Nicola Pallitt:We’ll never have students with equal access – shouldn’t our e-assessment practice take this as the default?
Cheryl Belford:my experience comes out of #FMF whre students had to actively seek out their learning supported by accessible blended learning
Stephan van Wyk:Mixed model at Unisa has the effect of stretching support departments very thinly
Nicola Pallitt:maybe it depends on the type of assessment? purpose of it…
Jerome Dooga:@Cheryl. That’s the point I was making.
Nicola Pallitt:Challanges taking assessment online – what are your experiences?
Stephan van Wyk:Nice idea in practice but support staff end up having to do many things in order to ensure the mixed model can cater for all
Nicola Pallitt:Please share your experiences colleagues:)
Gabriel Uunona:online space… challenges could be connectivity issues, especially when students have to use own internet
Cheryl Belford:I use whattsapp to chat with my students around a particular on line assessment, e.g. essay
Cheryl Belford:I use a blog to address long calculations as it forms a repository for the cognitive steps
Nicola Pallitt:@Gabriel U goes back to Cheryl, Daniela and Bronwyn’s seminar last week
Gabriel Uunona:I missed the last week presentation
Nicola Pallitt:ethics of care as part of our blended learning, and e-assessment is part of this
annie laurette:slow network, still expensive
Cheryl Belford:i think is would be a great idea to share particular experience around specific assessments
Nicola Pallitt:Recording of last week is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOSslrb-EyqxMEJ-wMG49Fg/videos
Nicola Pallitt:@Cheryl great idea for something we can share in the Facebook event page
Gabriel Uunona:But maybe if instutitions make use of well equpped centres in different towns/areas
annie laurette:good use of watsap, peer feedback works well with that one
Cheryl Belford:as facilitators of blended learning our mandate remains the same but the impact on workload is greater
Antonio Chimuzu:I teach languages and sometimes i use online peer assessment. For example a photo description uploaded to a forum tool. It was very exciting for the students. and generated more discussions and research vocabulary.
Gabriel Uunona:Thanks for that link @Nicola
Nicola Pallitt:Facebook event page to continue discussion, share examples and practices from our contexts: https://www.facebook.com/events/1178029525658567/
Jerome Dooga:Thanks. I think the Macro level involves institutional policies
Cheryl Belford:Sorry for engaging so late. I hope that I can contribute more next week
emmanuel arthur: Thank you Alan.
Cheryl Belford:Yes. Thank you to Alan.
Antonio Chimuzu:Great presentation. Thank you Alan
Ryan:Thank you Alan and Nicolla.
annie laurette:Thank you for the presentation.
Alan Cliff:Thanks to everyone for a very engaging webinar!
Gabriel Uunona:Too bad all social networks are disabled on my office network, (even thought I am a researcher 🙁 ) will check the links after hours
Tony Carr:Thanks Alan, I recall a meeting you led a few years ago when you said assessment is a t the centre of everything – clearly the same for e-assessment
Arabat Kasangaki:Thank you
Jakob Pedersen:Recording has stopped
Kate Whittaker:Thanks it was fasinating.. so much more to think about.
Stephan van Wyk:Thanks Alan
Cath:Thank you all 🙂
Gabriel Uunona:It was great engaging with everyone, thank you all
Frank Loglo:Thanks Alan
Nicola Pallitt:Thank you Alan for a thought-provoking seminar! Lots we can discuss further folks – more you discuss the more responsive Alan can be to your questions
Jerome Dooga:Ok people. It was a worthwhile hour well spent.
Arabat Kasangaki:Looking forward to next seminar
Nicola Pallitt:Thanks all for joining us today – same time and place next week Monday ans in between now and then we discuss on the Facebook event page linked above. Great day to all:)
Frank Loglo:@Nicola, your team may want to consider employing on the spot polls in the course of the presentation to get feedback on critical issues. A case in point was your Y/N question about institutional policies for e-assessments in our institutions
Alice Goodwin-Davey:Sorry, we were off line all morning! Only got back online now, so is everybody gone? Anybody out there?
Arabat Kasangaki:Sorry we missed you
Alice Goodwin-Davey:Thanks for the ppt. Is it available somewhere, so I can see the beginning? Hope to make it next week, but I’d like to catch up.
Kate Whittaker:ah sorry we missed you but you can catch the recording soon?
Alice Goodwin-Davey:Hi Kate!
Kate Whittaker:HI! How fare you? the recording will probably be up later today
Alice Goodwin-Davey:Hi Nicola – sorry to have missed it all! 🙁
Alice Goodwin-Davey:[Well, at least I know it wasn’t an Adobe problem — we just lost network off and on all morning] Bye all, and see you next week.
John 2:Greeting to you all! Sorry to come in late. We have poor internet connection this morning.
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